Posted by: DIS | December 13, 2013

Romans chapter 2, the natural law of conscience

Romans chapter 2


  1. Brother Bill,

    I so appreciate your steadfastness in your work against the lies of the devil. I know these strongholds that you are speaking out against comes with great confusion for many who are in the wilderness. Some of us have been out of the system for a long time, but still are carrying much baggage.

    Christ Knew Nothing Of Being Born A Sinner … Neither did Christ know anything about the doctrine of being born a sinner. Instead of teaching that men are born sinners, (( Christ attributed all sin to the “free moral/conscience” agency of the sinner.)) And Christ, just like his Apostles, spoke of the agency of the devil in tempting men to sin and disobey God.

    Joh 8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, ((conscience is God’s deputy in the soul,)) went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

    Joh 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

    Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: ((go, and sin no more.)) Jesus is telling HER to stop it. Stop it now … our responsibility.

    If the doctrine of original sin is true, then Jesus, his Apostles, and, indeed, all the inspired writers of the Bible lived in total ignorance of it. For they never spoke of original sin as being the occasion or cause of any sin! But they spoke of the agency of the devil and of temptation as the cause and occasion of all sin! Jesus exhorted his disciples to “watch and pray, that they not enter into temptation.” He taught his disciples to pray, “Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.” His Apostles, in their epistles, exhorted the believers to guard against the “snares of the devil,” lest they be tempted and fall into sin. They exhorted the believers to “be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about seeking whom he may devour,” and to “put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.” They never spoke of being born a sinner or of committing sin because of a sinful nature inherited from Adam! ((There is not one single verse in all the Bible that speaks of a sinful nature inherited from Adam!)) But throughout all the Bible we are taught that men are tempted and commit sin when they surrender to temptation!
    The Bible never teaches anything which our rational, moral/conscience nature declares to be false, unjust, or impossible. The truths of Christianity cannot be in manifest contradiction to reason, reality, and justice–and yet the original sin dogma does contradict the clear teachings of the Bible, man’s reason, man’s knowledge of reality, and man’s God-given convictions of justice.

    Causes of Sin quote from Clement of Alexandria:

    Though men’s actions are ten thousand in number, there are only two sources of all sin: ignorance and inability. We ourselves are responsible for both of these. Either we will not learn, or we will not restrain our lust. If one doesn’t learn, he doesn’t make right decisions. If he doesn’t restrain his lust, he can’t comply with right judgments. So there are two remedies to sin. The first type of sin needs knowledge and clear proof from the testimony of the scriptures. The other type of sin needs the training that comes from the Logos. This training is regulated by the DISCIPLINE OF FAITH AND FEAR. ((Both disciplines develop into perfect love.)) The completeness of the one who is intimate with God is twofold: It is part contemplation and it is part ACTION.

    Peace and love my friend, Linda

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