Posted by: DIS | January 27, 2015

Jesus’ Three Genealogies

Jesus’s three genealogies

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  1. Dear Bill,

    Your detailed answers were well studied (took us a couple of days); both you and bob are teachers of meat. They led us to some very lively discussions and understanding.

    Our warmest thanks,

    Your sisters in SA

    • Thanks S….Good to always study it ourselves (good Berians). I have been wrong on several things in the past and would always hope to be corrected by good brothers and sisters…….peace, Bill

  2. Thank you Bill.

    You’ve made it critically clearer for me. The Solomon and Jechonias understanding is very, very crucial – I see that… to switch the genealogies as I had done, and without your understanding, could (gasp) bring a person to a “messiah” who is descended from Solomon and inherits his throne from Jechonias – which would not make him the fulfilment of the law and prophets.

    Thank you again. Your studies are divinely inspired.

    S

    • Greetings S

      From Josiah forward (609-BC to 586-BC) the kings of Judah’s have a very complicated history and their names changed according to who placed them on the throne. After King Josiah died at Megiddo (609-BC). His eldest

      son Jehhohaz (Shallum) was 23 and made king, but for only 3 months when Pharoah-Nechoh of Egypt put Jehoahaz in prison, where he died. Then Pharaoh-Nechoh placed “Eliakim” aka (Jehciakem), age 25 on the throne. He was the brother of Jehoahaz, the son of Josiah. (Kings 2:31-34) His reign was for 11 years, 2 Kings 23-36. He was carried away in captivity to Babylon in 598-BC by Nebuchadnezzar he remained there for 37 years and then he died. Then, Jehciakems’ son, Jehoiachin, aka ( Jconiah, Jeckiah, Conia, and Jeconias in Matt. 1-11) was king for three months. This is the kings whose seed was cursed. He was succeeded by his uncle, Mattaniah, aka (king Zedekiah) He was carried captive to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar and was the last king of Judah in 586 BC. The complicated thing to drill down on is that Jehciakem was the actual one that begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel fom Solomon’s line and Neri’s daughter through the line of Nathan. I still don’t quite grasp the full understanding of the history of these last kings and the mystery of Neri, (Pediah).

      Bill

  3. Morning Bill,

    I’m somewhat confused as I study out this teaching. I hope you can help me!

    Mat 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

    I can count fourteen generations from Abraham to David.

    I can count fourteen generations from Solomon to Jechonias

    But… from Matt 1:12 -16 I can only count thirteen generations.

    Mat 1:12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Salathiel; Zorobabel; (2)
    Mat 1:13 Abiud; Eliakim; Azor; (5)
    Mat 1:14 Sadoc; Achim; Eliud; (8)
    Mat 1:15 Eleazar; Matthan; Jacob; (11)
    Mat 1:16 (Joseph the husband of )Mary (12), of whom was born Jesus (13), who is called Christ.

    If Matt 1:17 is correct … Then the final genealogy is flawed.

    This brings me to the only other understanding I can see in the text…

    That this is Mary’s genealogy; the “Joseph” in this list is not the husband of Mary but the father of Mary – this making Jesus the fourteenth generation.

    Thus:

    Mat 1:12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Salathiel; Zorobabel; (2)
    Mat 1:13 Abiud; Eliakim; Azor; (5)
    Mat 1:14 Sadoc; Achim; Eliud; (8)
    Mat 1:15 Eleazar; Matthan; Jacob; (11)
    Mat 1:16 (Joseph the FATHER) (12) of Mary (13), of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ (14).

    The word translated “husband” is G435: primary meaning “a man”.

    This would mean than Mary’s husband was called Joseph and her father was also called Joseph.

    This would make Luke’s account Luke 3:23 – 38; the genealogy of Joseph (Mary’s husband and Jesus step-father).

    Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

    Bill, Help me understand this … because can’t make the text say anything else from an honest reading.

    Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen. (Gal 6:18)

    S

    • Greetings S . The first thing to know is that no seed of Jechonias (Coniah) could inherit the throne. The kings genealogy is very complicated after Josiah until the captivity. I don’t think Jechonias had any children, (not sure, but I will check that). He was captive in Babylon for 37 years. The second fact is that the seed of Jesus humanity DID NOT go through Solomon, but rather his brother Nathan, who was the 34th seed carrier from Adam. Jesus humanity came through Nathan not Solomon. Therefore Joseph was a descendent of Solomon, not Nathan.

      In Matthew 1 Jesus was the 14th generation by adoption. Mary and Joseph were one, this makes Jesus the son of Joseph by law, but not by genetics because His humanity was only genetically related to Mary, which is listed in Luke 3. The third thing that is important to know is that Jesus humanity had to be traced back to Adam, the first son of God. Matthew 1 fails o do this.

      Heli, Mary’s father, was #73. Heli, a descendant of Nathan, had no sons, so the seed ended in him. However, he had five daughters, the youngest was Mary who brought forth the virgin birth of Christ. This confirms Jesus manhood because He was fully man as well as fully God. This is why Matthews account only goes back to Abraham,and Luke 3 goes all the way back to Adam confirming His humanity. A direct line all the way from Adam to Heli. The term “supposed father” in Luke 3 means he was the son of Joseph by law. The Jewish records were always kept under the identity of the male because the seed was always transferred through the male. Mary was born of the last male in the long 73 seed line listed beginning with Adam. Abel was supposed to be the second seed appointment, but he was killed before he could have any children, so God appointed Adam/Eve another seed who’s name was “Seth”. Noah was #10 and Abraham was #20.

      16 And “Jacob begat Joseph” the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

      Jacob was Mary’s father in law, and Jesus’s grandfather by law. Joseph adopted Jesus as his own son giving Him
      all legal rights involving heirship

      Its very clear that Joseph was Jacobs begotten son, Mary was not born of Jacob, but rather was born of Heli. When it says that Joseph was the son of Heli in Luke 3-23, it means “by law” was he the son of Heli, (he was Heli’s son in law). This how the records were kept though the males name. Men in Jewish times often regarded their sons-in-law as their own sons. Once again: Joseph’s name is only introduced instead of Mary’s in Luke 3,because of conformity with the Jewish custom. Notwithstanding, most assuredly only one genealogy might be of Mary and the other of Joseph; even though both accounts mention Joseph. In other words, the Mary genealogy was counted “IN” Joseph and under his headship through the Jewish tradition of marriage and birth records. Also the designation of “supposedly” signifies the Marian genealogy since it seems to indicate that Jesus is “NOT” the BIOLOGICAL son of Joseph.

      Jacob was the direct biological father of Joseph, the 13th generation, the husband of Mary of whom Jesus was born making Him the 14th generation. It would be needless to trace Josephs biological line back to Adam simply because he was not Jesus biological father. But it was most important and necessary to trace Joseph’s biological line back through Solomon and David, because this made him entitled to the throne, of which makes Jesus entitled to the throne through adoption.
      Also, notice that Luke’s first 3 chapters mentions Mary eleven times; hence, the genealogy from her. Whereas she is only mentioned 3 times in Matthew 1 and each time she is referenced as being espoused of Joseph.

      Hope this helps, Bill


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