Posted by: DIS | February 28, 2017

New video by Tim Germain


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  1. On this particular aspect of the ministry of the Apostles I agree with you Suzy.
    I think Tim’s teachings are most excellent overall, but I think he is in error concerning this one issue…..Thanks for responding with excellent identification and very helpful scripture…….peace be with you Bill

  2. Greetings suzy,

    Will look over your post when I have more time.

    Last healing apostolic miracle I believe is Paul, but will search it out.

    Sober is more appropriate for old testate ensamples or analogies.

    In addition to those passages there is a set of passages about the Spirit that don’t speak of His actual work now, they speak of a future Day when The LORD is going to do a miraculous marvelous work:

    His marvelous work is demonstrated in our generation with strong delusion,
    blindness and apostasy.

    Every generation has a choice to serve the Lord or serve the world.

    warm regards,

    bob

  3. Dear Brothers and Sisters,

    I’m not sure I agree with this speaker when he talks about the five-fold ministry still in operation.

    It is my understanding that the five-fold ministry went hand in hand with the signs and wonders which authenticated the Spirit-filled revelations of the Apostles – in the same way Moses Covenant was authenticated by his gifts of signs and wonders.

    It is my understanding that all Prophecy ceased with the death of the Apostles and therefore the inspired scriptures were complete. As Daniel says, vision and prophecy would be sealed up at the end of the 70 weeks. In other words, the “Will” (testament/covenant – Heb 9:15) had to be published (probated)throughout all the world (Acts 13:49) before the end (of the Old Covenant) could take place. Jesus said, (Luk 21:22) For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

    Mic 7:15 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things. Mic 7:16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf. Mic 7:17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the LORD our God, and shall fear because of thee. Mic 7:18 Who is a The LORD like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

    According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things … i.e. 40 years. Pentecost in 30AD – 70AD.

    There were three characteristics of the Spirit’s empowerment in the Old Testament.

    (1) Selective

    It is just Moses. Numbers 11, I will take the Spirit who is on you, not the Spirit who is on the community of the faithful, not the Spirit who on Israel, but the Spirit who is on you. You see how it makes no sense to say the Spirit was on the community of Israel if he takes the Spirit and puts Him on the seventy. Presumably they would have already had the Spirit then. It doesn’t make sense, so what The LORD does is He takes the Spirit that is on Moses and put Him on the seventy. It means that just Moses and just the seventy have the Spirit. Just Saul has the Spirit, just David has the Spirit, just a prophet has the Spirit, just Bezalel. So you go down the line and you realize that this is very selective.

    (2) Temporary

    This is the hardest one to demonstrate. It clearly is the case with Saul; 1 Samuel 16:14 the Spirit of the Lord was taken from Saul. So we know that happened there. It is implicit though in the other cases.

    (3) Task oriented

    The fist two points serve the third one. This is the critical one; it is the one that explains the other two. He comes to enable something to done, whether it is a word spoken accurately, boldly or the Tabernacle being built with precision and accuracy or boldness to stand up against the enemies of Israel or the ability to judge the people’s disputes, lead the people forward, have the responsibility over the people. Whatever it is it is a task assigned to individuals. So for David, for example, even though he feared the Spirit would be taken from him (do not take your Holy Spirit from me), The LORD was gracious. The LORD forgave David’s sin and so David remained King of Israel his entire life. The Spirit was upon him for his whole life. Is that evidence for the permanent possession of the Spirit at least of the selective ones upon who He comes? No, it is evidence that the task was lifelong. That is why I think some prophets like Elisha, “the Spirit of the Lord rested upon him.” I think the implication is for life because he was a lifelong prophet.
    This one is the most critical because it explains why just these people and not others and why this long and not longer or why for life and in other cases not.

    There are two sets of passages in the Old Testament that relate to the Spirit.

    One is, passages that relate to actual empowerment of the Spirit on the people in the Old Testament; like a prophet, a judge, a king, a Moses upon whom the Spirit comes for various kinds of purposes. Task oriented – selective and temporary.

    In addition to those passages there is a set of passages about the Spirit that don’t speak of His actual work now, they speak of a future Day when The LORD is going to do a miraculous marvelous work:

    Micah 2:15

    Joel 2:28 “It will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, Your young men will see visions. Joel 2:29 “Even on the male and female servants I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

    Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

    Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

    Selective, temporary and task orientated …

    Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Mar 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

    Act 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. Act 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. Act 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Act 13:49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.

    I would be interested in your understanding.

    Be blessed.


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