Posted by: DIS | January 7, 2021

Christ = Ram In The Thorns! And, Is God the creator of death? Ephesians 6:12; Genesis 6:5-11


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  1. Dear Bob,

    I have great respect for you as a teacher and I fully agree every generation is blessed by reading and understanding The Revelation of Jesus because when we do, we understand Jesus was not a liar and every word he spoke is true and the 1st century saints were victorious over the “law of sin and death” and the contest between the Temple and the Gospel as to who were the true “sons of God” has forever been settled in Heaven and the gospel is still going out to all the world and when we learn it and beat our swords into ploughshares and our spears into pruning hooks, the Kingdom will truly fill the earth as the water covers the sea! (Isaiah 11:9) (Hab 2:14)

    My comments come from my own study of the scriptures, with help from many valuable Bible scholars; I have no wish to impose my understanding on anyone, Try as I might, in my study, I haven’t been able to reconcile the idealist or historical views of eschatology with the three basic tenets, which, in my opinion, hold the narrative from Genesis to Revelation as one truthful testimony.

    1) The Narrative is one of covenant. Adam > Abraham (Father of many nations) > Jacob + sons > Moses and the 1st Exodus from bondage in Egypt to the promised land > Jesus the Christ – who re-gathered all 12 tribes and led them, with the believing gentiles from the bondage of the Mosaic Law into the Spiritual promised land of grace. (grace = a Hebrew word for “tent”). Luk_24:44 (KJV) And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

    2) Audience relevance, it wasn’t written to us as the primary audience but for us as a testimony. The Bible isn’t the “living” word – Jesus is the Living Word, the Bible is His Testimony. Rev 19:10. Testimony – a solemn attestation as to the truth of a matter. It is an unchangeable testimony, written for us using ancient Middle-Eastern literary styles with poetic devices of which one is “type/antitype” – typologically, there are two fulfilments (end OC & beginning of NC). What purpose would multiple fulfilments serve?

    Biblical eschatology: Moses > > > Jesus and covenant change (30-70AD) No end of time – but an everlasting Kingdom that will never be destroyed. 6 verses found, 18 matches Psalms, Daniel, 2 Peter

    Political eschatology: Moses > > > to … for example 1948 and the Made-in- Britain-funded-by-US, seizing the old Covenant earthly kingdom by force! (General Clark – 7 countries in 5 years!) or another example, the RC’s crusades, or the British Israelite agenda or Manifest Destiny… all having some sort of supremacist anti-gospel agenda. Justinian was one of earliest in the 6th century AD!

    3) Time Statements cannot be ignored: Daniel’s, the decrees to rebuild Jerusalem, the prophets, Jesus and the NT writers’ time statements are set in stone (the stone the builder rejected!). These numerous time statements have standing as the inspired truth. Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen.

    1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time*: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

    time*: eschatos – A superlative probably from G2192 (in the sense of contiguity); farthest, final (of place or time): – ends of, last, latter end, lowest, uttermost. John, wrote the book of Revelation, and as we can plainly see from 1 John’s epistle, he was convinced HE was living in the eschatos/latter time!

    “This generation” was “John’s generation” i.e. the last generation of the Old Covenant. 20 verses found, 42 matches KJV Matt, Mark, Luke and Acts. Matt 24:2 >> Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

    Genuine signs of the end of the age?

    1. Voice of one crying in the wilderness: Isaiah 40
    2. Messenger: Malachi 3:1-6
    3. Elijah: Malachi 4:5
    4. . The Holy Spirit: Joel 2 / fulfilled in Acts 2

    Mark 1:1-3, Mat 11:14, Mat 17:10, Mat 17:11, Mat 17:12, Mar 9:12, Mar 9:13, Mar 15:35, Mar 15:36, Luk 1:17, identified John the Baptizer as Elijah, the voice of one crying in the wilderness and the messenger.

    Peter said Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel

    All appeared in the 1st Century. Can you refute this?

    Matt 24 – Two Signs of the end of the Mosaic Age/world : The destruction of Jerusalem which was called “Heaven and Earth” What did the disciples ask? When will the temple be destroyed and the end of the age? Jesus talks about the signs pointing to the fall of Jerusalem:

    • Gospel being preached to the ends of the known world as a witness to the nations, then comes the end. Mark 16:15-16, This was fulfilled, confirmed in Romans 10:18>, Colossians 1:5, 23,

    • Abomination of Desolation – Matt 24:15 and Luke 21:20-22 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

    Jesus said nothing about the “end of the Christian age”. Jesus said to his generation when you see wars, rumours of wars, earthquakes etc the end is not yet… Mat_24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. The second exodus had still to be completed, as described by the Prophets. Jesus did not obfuscate anything.

    Reading Matthew 24 in parallel with Luke 21 and Mark 13 makes it clear there was an end of the Mosaic Covenant and the New Covenant has no end.

    For those who hold to a physical bodily return of Jesus, perhaps a study of the typology of the sacrifice would make one realise that if Jesus has not become “the whole burnt offering”, then His sacrifice is not complete and we do not have redemption. A good book to understand the typology of Jesus sacrifice is “The Journey Between the Veils” by Alan Bondar.

    Thank you for taking time to read this. May the truth of scripture shine upon me and upon you and may we both keep learning; I know I still have so much to learn, our Father is gracious to give us the tools to learn of his wonderful plan of redemption through his son Jesus the Christ, saviour of the world.

    Peace.

    S

    • Warm regards to you Suzy,

      is still going out to all the world and when we learn it and beat our swords into ploughshares and our spears into pruning hooks, the Kingdom will truly fill the earth as the water covers the sea! (Isaiah 11:9) (Hab 2:14)”

      The Lord instructs:

      Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
      Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
      Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
      Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
      Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
      Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
      Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
      Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
      Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
      Eph 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
      Eph 6:20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

      “My comments come from my own study of the scriptures, with help from many valuable Bible scholars; I have no wish to impose my understanding on anyone, Try as I might, in my study, I haven’t been able to reconcile the idealist or historical views of eschatology with the three basic tenets, which, in my opinion, hold the narrative from Genesis to Revelation as one truthful testimony”

      Totally agree with your assessment but factor in we are in the Kingdom is reining right now.

      “Biblical eschatology: Moses > > > Jesus and covenant change (30-70AD) No end of time – but an everlasting Kingdom that will never be destroyed. 6 verses found, 18 matches Psalms, Daniel, 2 Peter”

      Each person has up to 120 years to enter covenant or not. Post Flood

      You enter the door, Gate narrow way. Your not out cutting up sacrifices and performing circumcisions:

      Gen 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
      Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
      Gen 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

      Rom_2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

      New Covenant for all the inhabitants of the earth:

      Heb_8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
      Heb_8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
      Heb_8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
      Heb_8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
      Heb_8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
      Heb_8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

      All appeared in the 1st Century. Can you refute this?

      End of Apostle gifts/circumcised hearts

      • Gospel being preached to the ends of the known world as a witness to the nations, then comes the end. Mark 16:15-16, This was fulfilled, confirmed in Romans 10:18>, Colossians 1:5, 23,

      I saw a picture long ago of people in the farthest region Africa all gathered on a beach with their cell phones to try and get a signal. The end of the earth so to speak. Maybe generational until the end.

      Remember your Lion encounter:
      1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

      We know that Lion/ Many antichrists, idol shepherds false prophets etc.…

      If we know this, we know the gospel is written on our hearts. Seeing things with no veil.

      “For those who hold to a physical bodily return of Jesus, perhaps a study of the typology of the sacrifice would make one realise that if Jesus has not become “the whole burnt offering”, then His sacrifice is not complete and we do not have redemption. A good book to understand the typology of Jesus sacrifice is “The Journey Between the Veils” by Alan Bondar.”

      Like Manner:

      Act_1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

      1Pe 5:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
      1Pe 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
      1Pe 5:11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

      At a loss for more time to review, will put some time in when I can and will respond promptly to any comments.

      love

      bob

  2. Greetings.

    While it’s not within the scope of this comment to go into the Deuteronomy text, Deuteronomy 28-32 (and more specifically Ch. 32) should be regarded as the “lynchpin” of Biblical prophecy. Taking away this section of scripture essentially takes away the foundation on which Israel’s covenant with YHVH is built upon. Put another way, this “lynchpin” literally holds the prophetic scriptures in place. Without it, the mission of the prophets becomes unclear and their scriptural authority is weakened. Take away this portion of Scripture (Deut. 28-32) and you rob all the prophets of their preaching text.

    Instead of reading the Bible through the lens of the daily news media – and making all about the USA and it’s “made in Britain” clients in the Middle East (Balfour Declaration & Sykes/Picot etc.) – perhaps Christians in the USA should read it through the lens of first-century AD audience. In doing so, they may agree that the prophetic events leading to the judgements of Judah in Deuteronomy 32 were fulfilled in AD 70 with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, and along with them the end of the Old Covenant system of sacrifices for sin, the Levitical Priesthood and Temple service: and the immediate inauguration of the New Jerusalem – a Spiritual city – as described in John’s vision which is the one Abraham was looking for: is more compelling as the truth!

    There are over 100 passages in the New Testament that declare the imminence of the prophesied events in Jesus generation.. It is clear that Jesus and his disciples expected his return while some of them were still alive … in their own generation. Or was Jesus lying to them and us?

    Seriously … Do USA Dispensationalists want Judah’s fate as described in Deuteronomy 28-32 still to be in the future???

    The Gospel is a message of Peace. When Deuteronomy 28-32 was over so were all Biblical wars. To spread the gospel is to spread the message of PEACE (and yes, I am shouting!) Peace and abundance for all mankind.

    Peace

    S

    • Good pm Suzy,

      “Instead of reading the Bible through the lens of the daily news media – and making all about the USA and it’s “made in Britain” clients in the Middle East (Balfour Declaration & Sykes/Picot etc.) – perhaps Christians in the USA should read it through the lens of first-century AD audience.”

      The book of Revelation is given to all. Every generation is blessed who read and understand

      Rev 1:3  Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. 

      There is also curses in Revelation:

      Rev 22:18  For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 
      Rev 22:19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 

      ” To spread the gospel is to spread the message of PEACE (and yes, I am shouting!) Peace and abundance for all mankind.”

      Amen to that!

      love bob


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