Predestination Doctrine

The foreknowledge of God, and the doctrine of predestination

When one begins to seek such subjects as foreknowledge of God, predestination, election, and adoption, these have to do with the Divine Power and Authority of God, or also referred to in the KJB as His “Majesty”> The Reformationists cleverly termed this “the Sovereignty of God” straw man, for the purpose of teaching less than the full council of God, in that their doctrines might not be challenged, while stressing “sola scriptura” (very cleaver double-speak). God has never hidden His will and commands from man, NEVER.

See https://thedivinelyinspiredscriptures.wordpress.com/2014/02/24/the-sovereignty-of-god-straw-man/
https://thedivinelyinspiredscriptures.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/foreordained-predestined-and-ordained-what-do-they-mean-updated-and-added-to-2/

Freewill is the ability to choose. If you can only choose (evil) then it’s not freewill. Freewill drives division. God allows such a division (to mankind as well as angels) to occur and works it all out for the best for those that love/obey Him.

The erroneous theory called, “Compatibilism”? tries to fit “free will”, into “sovereign determinism”.

Compatibilism asserts that man’s will is free, but only so far as one’s NATURE; if left unregenerate, he “freely” wills to sin and rebel against God, because that is the only thing he can do. But if sovereignly regenerated by God, he “freely” wills to believe and pursue God’s righteousness, because that is the only thing HE can do. This is nothing more than confusion and is not what the bible teaches.

The truth is: God has such a great benevolence for mankind that He laid down His life for the world PROVISIONALLY, and all can be His friend; therefore each person chooses as Joshua commanded them to> “Choose this day whom ye shall serve”.

There are no verses about predestination that say God chooses in the manner of “who” specifically. It’s false doctrine. It teaches that God decided how “in”/through Christ. Which takes us back to Romans 8, that it is the elect that are to receive the Spirit and/of adoption. If a person desires to be an elect, that person then has to get in His Elect (Isaiah 42:1; 1Peter 2:6) -get In Christ. (repent believe and continue in obedience) That invitation is open to all (the parable of the invitation to the kings wedding supper).

When the matter of Gods; Sovereignty comes into discussion always keep in remembrance; that we can only go as far as that which the Lord by His grace has revealed to us through His written Word, thus keeping in harmonization with the whole council of God. The Holy Scriptures are by no means a revelation of everything God knows, but rather a revelation of what God desires HIS people to know. That is, His will is open and made quite clear. God does not deal under the table having some sort of maligned “secret will” nonsense.

God predestinated the church, not the individuals in the church.  And the firstfruits unto to God  (Jesus Christ) are but the promise of the whole harvest to come during the gospel age of redemption. .

Ephesains 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself,
according to the good pleasure of his will,


Ephesians  1:11  In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated
according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

The congregation that was chosen is a people that would follow with steadfast faithfulness to God and obedience to the truth. God ordained from eternity past those that do such shall be his people (God ruling with them, “all Israel”). Israel is the house of believers by faith both OT and NT. No individuals themselves were preordained, but only the principles by which they should live was ordained….It’s all about man working together with God to obtain a RELATIONSHIP of love that cannot be obtained by any other means. One cannot have a relationship with God before they were born, and God sees the future as reality consisting of a web of possibilities (freewill choice). Therefore knowing this first: possibilities are not certainties, and that is reality. However, what is in fact a certainty, and was preordained by God, is that He will work all things for the good of those that love and obey Him from a heart of sincerity…God’s earnest from the beginning was that all should obey and love Him…..

Knowing this first, 1 Cor. 13- 5 “love does not demand its own way”… Love is not forced on anyone, that is not the way of love, but rather by the way of freewill choice from the goodness of the heart.

Concerning the vast mystery, secrets, and wisdom of God, David speaks of such in Psalms 139. For the Psalmist David sayeth in Psalms 139 “such knowledge is too high for him to attain”. This is why the apostle Paul says “hope in things not yet seen”. Such as the “adoption” of the full manifestation of the sons of God.

These are all bible terms and therefore demand a consideration from all of Gods’ people who search the scriptures diligently while seeking God and HIS wisdom, and not the wisdom of men…. Beware, as the apostle Paul said in Romans 11; “lest ye become wise in your own conceits”. Deceit comes out of the heart of conceit. Simply said; Lies come out of the mouth of the proud…the serpent was the first example of this. The deceivers earthly knowledge, based upon the 5 senses, “aka” (environmentalism) will carnally teach election, predestined, adoption, and foreknowledge from a heart of wise conceit and puffed up earthly knowledge (Gnosticism). These generally boast in achievements such as election, and predestined, while not having any understanding of what their true biblical meanings are. This can be clearly seen in the false teachings of Calvinism, and their Reformation doctrine.

The simpletons of faith understand that the 144,000, the saints, the elect, the remnant, the called out ones, the overcomers, the Christians, those predestined in Christ, are all the same thing. That being, whom Jesus continually referenced as  “the believers”, because there are only two categories of people in the text, the believers and the non-believers, as Jesus said in John 3- 18

“He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God”
Using the KJV as a dictionary; all that encompasses belief can be defined, and I can assure you it is not what the church teaches today. Belief and obedience to Gods commands are synonymous from a pure heart and cannot be separated.

There it is, there are only 2 camps of people, those who believe, and those who do not believe, everything fits into these two nations, so typed in the OT by the two nations in Rebecca’s womb> the elect are simply the believers by faith. Romans 9– Jacob {the believers, who walk by the Spirit} have I loved, and Esau {the non-believers, who walk by the flesh} have I hated; saieth the Lord.

This teaching will mostly focus on the matters of predestination and the foreknowledge of God. I will briefly state, that election is not God choosing or electing some to be saved and some to be lost. To say; that God merely decided to choose some to be saved and some to be lost is nothing more than hear-say opinions, or commonly referenced as heresy, while charging God with doing something that he cannot do, because he has most assuredly provided salvation for every man through conviction and influence John 3-16., however He is limited and will not circumvent man’s freewill to choose this day whom ye shall serve. To say that God has chosen or elected some to be saved or lost would limit the atonement of the blood of Jesus Christ. Yes all things are possible with God, man working together with God to achieve a joint union in love, of which otherwise is not attainable. God does not force anyone to love Him, but it is built in all of us that we should John 1-9, however we have to be willing to apply this grace.

Psalms 78-37 For their heart was not right with him, neither were they stedfast in his covenant.

38 But he, being full of compassion, forgave their iniquity, and destroyed them not: yea, many a time turned he his anger away, and did not stir up all his wrath.39 For he remembered that they were but flesh; a wind that passeth away, and cometh not again.
40 How oft did they provoke him in the wilderness, and grieve him in the desert! 41 Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel….. {God is limited? How does a Calvinist explain this away? Once again this verifies that God moves for the good of those that love Him, based upon man’s freewill choices. Man always makes his own bed of death and destruction, or he chooses life} This in no wise means that man can save himself, for past sins can only be forgiven by God, and the increase of the Spirit of Grace is a gift of God only to the faithful, it cannot be obtained any other way. Theref0re obedience to God is in no way earning your salvation. That is a myth!

Foreknowledge is an attribute of God, and predestined an action set forth by God have nothing to do with the deliberate planning of man and his choices. One thing is for certain; God foreordained man to have freewill. These matters can only be known to us by way of revelation through the Holy Spirit and the written word of God in the scriptures. Knowing this first, that man can only sin against the knowledge of the truth. Roman7-7, 8,9.

Adoption, by where we cry Abba Father, is a divine act of God, whereby God sets a purpose toward us, an endeavor, thus (Jesus Christ) is directed for the believer, and makes that goal of adoption a reality and attainable for whosoever will believe.

God commandeth all men everywhere to repent and believe. Not responding to the call is blaspheming the Holy Spirit (the unforgivable sin). Why ye always resist the Holy Ghost as so did your fathers? Acts 7..

Foreknown = relationship with God. Ask yourself, who is the only man foreknown (relationship) by God, the Father ?

Jesus is the only man that foreknew the father (relationship) (Matthew 11:27) Jesus is the elect servant (see Isaiah 42:1) Jesus is the predestined (way to access to the Father) (John 14:6) Jesus is the called servant and the truth (who brought judgment to the gentiles–the sin is resisting the truth) God, the Father, calls (commandeth) all men to repent (Acts 17:30) Men can resist the call to repent and believe the gospel (Acts 7:51)

Predestination is a divine act of God in which man had nothing to do with in establishing this purpose; rather it was only the work of the Almighty. The very salvation alone “in” Jesus Christ is that which was predestined, not men.

God predestined that a certain group of people would be with Him. However He did not individually predestine those who would be in this group. Jesus said,

John 6:40 “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day”.

The body is made up of those who believe, however God did not predetermine the members of the body.

God has chosen us in Jesus Christ. Because God predestined the plan of salvation in Jesus Christ, that Jesus Christ would be our Savior, and that all things necessary for that have been foreknown & determined (predestined) by God on our behalf, therefore having been predestined and then brought to pass for our benefit. How can we know of God’s predestination plan? We know of God’s predestination because of Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is from those events that any of us here discuss the benefit in Christ by the grace of God. It is God’s good pleasure: John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

In Romans 8-29 the purpose of predestination is that we might “be conformed to the image of His Son,”. The purpose of predestination is to bring us to the image of the Lord Jesus Christ, just as the apostle Peter declared in 1 Peter:1-2 “Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied”. It says the elect are predestined to be conformed, adopted sons, among brethren of which Christ Jesus is the firstborn. Predestined to be conformed, but not predestined to be adopted sons.

Romans 8:15 says we receive the Spirit of adoption as sons — Acts11:17 says the Spirit is received after belief. Every person has the opportunity to be saved, it’s the only way God could be “just”.

In the book of Ephesians 1:5 the divine purpose of the Lord God in predestination is our adoption into His family. In John 17, while in the garden, this is what Christ prayed for to the Father.

Ephesians 1:5. “Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will…”them” the believers, the called, chosen, and faithful, who endure to the end shall be saved.

Even though the believers have been adopted into the kingdom in the spirit, we have yet to be adopted as resurrected sons in the new kingdom to come, thus fulfilling the destination and end of all things in this present earth age. As Paul expresses the HOPE of adoption in Romans ch 8.

Romans 8-18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. {Paul has not yet experienced this glory, so the adoption he is speaking of in this context is to be a future event}.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

Vs. 20; the creature was made subject to vanity> abuse, misery, and corruption, all the while vanishing away in the diminishing state of a world which may be pronounced as vanity as described so well by Solomon in the book of Ecclesiastics. This was not Gods will, but however man’s choice in which God works through for the good of all those that love and obey Him.

The word “vanishing” actually comes from the word vain, meaning all for naught. It’s a vain world that vexes the spirit….. By one man’s sin death came into the world. Adams’ choice to sin, and not God’s will, was the cause of subjection to vanity, Calvinism would teach you that this is Gods will. But Paul clearly states here that it is not. We all inherited death in our mortal bodies because of Adams sin, being born into a world of cursed circumstances having been separated from the tree of life in the garden.

By reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope. But now our having received the first fruits unto God in the person of Jesus Christ, and have partaken of the gifts of the Spirit in His resurrection, as are we quickened in the Spirit, but our hopes rise in things to come, having not yet seen our full manifestation as sons of God.

Romans 5: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope: …8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Romans 8-23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. Which have the firstfruits of the Spirit.

Paul, BEING ALREADY a BORN AGAIN BELIEVER, expresses here, that he still awaits the adoption. Speaking of himself, and others, as not having yet been adopted and manifested in our new glorified bodies of the which is our hope of things to come through glorification not yet seen, as the destination of this church age continues to comes to a close.

The apostle John too said that he did not know any more information than this. But what he did say ; “for we shall be like HIM”. The redemption of our body, our new physical bodies will be like Jesus. 1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. Paul termed it face to face in 1 Cor. 13-12

Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. {Meaning by subduing the manifestation of the glorified sons of God}.
We now are the beloved sons of God, as 1John:3-2 tells us, but we are not yet the full manifestation of the sons of God.

Romans 8-24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

1 Cor. 13-12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Blessed Thomas is those who have not seen and believe. Jesus was speaking specifically about the Resurrected new body of Christ, that Thomas had then seen> the blessed hope. As many of those who would believe on HIM is predestined “IN HIM” to everlasting life. “Whosoever believeth on HIM shall not perish but have life everlasting John 3-16” Praise God from whom all blessing flow!!!

Romans 8-25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God…..
“Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities”: We have in us now the Comforter, even the Spirit of truth, in whom shall abide in us forever, and be our intercession to God as He helps us with our infirmities.

Sin is, and has been, the cause of all the suffering that exists in the creation. It has brought about the 2 curses upon the earth; it has kindled the flames of hell.

Paul speaks with words of encouragement in Romans 8; that the Lord would not make the creature subject to be cursed evermore, but rather gave them hope in a new resurrection of which Paul also wrote about in 1 Cor. 15:52-55. As did Jesus, when He rose from the tomb in His new body. Likewise we also will never be tempted again.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Vs 30, the # 4, by much tribulation did He; 1) predestined 2) called, 3) Justified, 4) and glorified them that should believe. This was all in the attribute of eternal conscience of God; this being in the ever present foreknowledge of God. God Himself by His grace alone has joined together these great blessings. He so united them together that they are inseparable, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against them, nor any man divide asunder those that truly love Him.

The subject of predestination is a much discussed subject among the Christian theologians, and perhaps one of the most misunderstood, especially among Calvinists, and in a lesser  way Arminianism too.. Calvinist, predestined and election idols, have become to them, as Mary worship is to the Catholic Church. Because they have laid a charge against God making Him the author of sin, responsible for their salvation, while at the same time accusing God with the unjust damning of another soul. Nay, may God forbid!!!

One must keep clearly in mind that the foreknowledge of God is not an act of God, but rather, it is a divine eternal characteristic and attribute of God. The common Calvinist speculation of this subject is carelessly thought of as;> because God knows everything, therefore, He can be charged with the act of determining the deeds of men. However, the missing link in their understanding is that knowing is not the same as actions. God knows all that can be known.

Not a bird falls from the sky they say etc. they foolishly parrot. Not knowing that Jesus was speaking of Gods full awareness of everything that happens all at once. The verse simply means that there is nothing God is not aware of.

The real truth is: Gods’ foreknowledge does not determine what choices man will make, nor does He pick and choose who will be saved. He did not do so with Adam, and He does not do so now…

Jesus was accused of being a mere man and not yet 50 years old, they, perceiving HE could not know anything of their father Abraham. Then Jesus spake unto them in verse, 58″ Verily, verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am.” This statement makes the declaration that the knowledge of all things sequential existed before. All of time and eternity was there before the omnipotent God in the person of His Son Jesus Christ. This is possible because Jesus Christ being one with the Father, and having that divine attribute of foreknowledge, because in HIM dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
the Omnipotent, God Almighty, or infinite in power; as God, having very great or unlimited authority or power. Sometimes capitalized: as the Almighty

OMNISCIENT: Means “all knowing” He knows all that is possible to know. Because the future does not yet exist, God does not know all of the future, however He has most certainly determined things in the future.
OMNIPRESENT: Means “always present” in heaven and earth as described in John 3-13.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

In Psalms 139 we see David express the foreknowledge of God…1 O Lord, thou hast searched me, and known me. 2 Thou knowest my down sitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off. 3 Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways. 4 For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether.5 Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me. 6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it. 7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

These first 8 verses in Psalms 139 deals with the foreknowledge of God. In the first verse David declares that the Lord knows him, but not that HE pre-determines David’s’ actions (man’s freewill), but simply because before David was born God could not have known him, however David was known by God from the womb. Meaning; God cannot have a relationship with us “Known” before we were created in the womb because He lives in a sequence of time also.. As David says in verse 8 if he makes his own bed in hell>> Isaiah 28-20’ You’ve made your own bed now lay in it (man’s freewill to choose evil).

In the second verse David declares that God knows every thought that is being formed, even before it is spoken in words. This is God whom searches the hearts of all men. Did He not find iniquity in Lucifer’s heart before he temped eve in the Garden? Answer, yes Ezek. 28.

He declares in verse 3 that the LORD knows the all of his conduct of his life, >now in verse 5 David reminds himself that God knows him totally, completely, at all times, and in all places. In verse 6 David says, “Such knowledge is too wonderful for me.” When he used the words, ”Such knowledge” in the context of these 8 verses, David is dealing with the subject of Gods’ ever present foreknowledge, which is a divine attribute of God, and of God only.

After giving such contemplation to the extent and vastness of the knowledge of God, David declares “Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.” David being only a finite being, he is dealing with a much larger truth that belongs in the realm of the supernatural. He is dealing with the matter of foreknowledge, and foreknowledge belongs to the realm of the infinite and eternal God. It is not too high to attain for God, but it is too high and too superior for David.
Romans 8-29. “For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.” 30. “Moreover, whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.”

I will explain below that all that should believe were called and predestined to salvation in Jesus Christ, Acts 17-30, John 3-16, 2 Peter 3-9, and Mark 1-15.
Acts 17-29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men everywhere to repent:

Verse 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think???
These things are clearly seen in the reveled in Romans 1-20 by the 3rd person of the Godhead, the Holy Ghost. Jesus Christ the Word, is the light that lighteth everyman that cometh into the world; John 1-9, both serving the divine purpose of the Father.

in this context in Acts 17- 30 “all men everywhere” means that all of mankind has been called to repentance. Jesus said; Many are called (everyone called to repentance) but few are chosen (but few hear his voice and respond with obedience to His calling) aka “My sheep hear my voice” The goats hear but they are stiff necked and do not respond. They hearken not.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, (all of mankind) not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

In the letter to Timothy, Paul confirms what Peter spake in 2 Peter 3-9, that it is God’s desire that all men might be saved in due time. I find this pertinent to the fact that 19 of 20 people, or (95%) have been born after the cross and the predestined saving grace in our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, who is our God prophesied by Isaiah in chapter 40 that spake of John the Baptist preparing the way for our God.

Isaiah:40- 3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

1Timothy 2: 3.
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;”
4. “Who will have all men to be saved, and – to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
Then one could ask; who doesn’t get saved? Those who receive not the love of the truth: 2 Thes 2-10. They do not respond (hearken) to HIS voice. In the light of these verses spoken by Peter and Paul, how can one say that God has predestinated some people to hell, and some people to Heaven? Nay; may God forbid? For HE is no respecter of persons; and who can neglect so great a salvation?.

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Predestination is a divine act of God whereby God makes that goal a reality in destination. He predetermined the very character of those that should enter in His kingdom. A character of holiness separated from those of the wicked one.. It was decided long ago, Gen. 3-15 that they should be separated and have the proper garments of salvation.

The salvation of mankind in the person of Jesus Christ, now making adoption, or son-placing a certainty for the believer. Making all of mankind called, and them that respond, (the believers), are predestined to be saved in Jesus Christ. But some will reject the Son and the only way unto salvation, but there be no other name in heaven and earth by which we can be saved, in other words; Jesus died for the whole world, yet He died only for the elect. Both are true, as the apostle John says in 1 John 2-2, not only for our sins, but the sins of the whole world. As did the apostle Paul say in 1 Tim 4-10 because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of “all men”, especially of those that believe.

The key understanding is “IN HIM” — it was “Jesus” who was foreknown from the beginning 1Peter 1:20-21, and the will of God is that all WHO see Jesus and believe shall be saved John 6:40. So the plan “in Him” is predestined, and each joins that plan through belief. No one can be chosen before he believes. And no one can believe until he is born into this world. Must be born of the water and the Spirit. John 3.

CHOSEN: One who is the object of choice. (DESTINED)- DIRECT the object of choice toward a given destination. However, the real object of choice was the divine character of those that should believe “IN” Christ. Calvinism falsely teaches one is CHOSEN for salvation before the foundation of the world

Final direction toward the given destination did not come until Christ and His finished works on the cross were done Hebrews 9. This is why Jesus Christ said come FOLLOW ME to all of the chosen

It’s the Fathers will that all believers be destined to follow after the Son of man. One is a believer first then they have a destiny to follow Christ in that belief. PREDESTINED means determined or chosen in advance by divine will decreed by God the fact that the house of God would contain all believers therein of the Son. It was predestined that God would have a church of believers in the image of His Son.
However DESTINED means to give direction toward the destination (the fullness of the church, the gospel age). God (PREDESTINED) determined before the foundation of the world who He would (DESTINE) give direction for eternal life through Christ, these are the whosoever will that believe on HIM, abiding in HIM. These are those that would be born again John 3. These should be DESTINED unto salvation through the new birth of His Spirit! Therefore it was predetermined that salvation “IN” Christ, the Lamb of God, that was slain from the foundations of the world, for all that should believe on Him, and that destination goes forward during the church age and up to His 2nd coming.

I should like at this time to bring notice to the teaching of Paul in the book of the Ephesians, which in particular leads us to the clear teaching of Ephesians 1:4. To understand the teaching of the book, you must understand clearly the mind and purpose of God in the book where the text is found in its proper context.

In Ephesians, Paul is presenting to us the truth concerning the church, which is His Body of Christ, or the house of Israel, which in turn is made-up ONLY of all the believers. God only recognizes and is only identified with one church on earth, that church being the church that the gates of hell shall not prevail against. Every person born of the Spirit of God belongs to the church, and God added to the church daily Acts 2-47. This church, or congregation of witnesses, is His Body, spoken of in Ephesians 1: 22, 23:

The foreknowledge of God…. God is all knowing of all that can be known, and yet, God is not bound in any way… He can still change His mind according to the choices men make. This is found in the account with Moses interceding with God on MT.Sinai in Exodus 32:31-35, also Jonah with the people of Nineveh. God can also alter the effects of time anyway He wants, such as when He left the sun up for another day, as it stood still in Joshua 10-13…Therefore, according to the Calvinist false teaching of election, God now becomes bound… Only a fool would think that just because man makes a poor choice, God then losses His sovereignty.

This is a very important truth to understand: Whether or not God knows all things from the beginning is really not the issue. However, the real issue is, He can intercede and alter His course based upon man’s free will choice, and Gods cannot supersede man’s ability to choose….

In Jeremiah ch 32 we can see how God reacts to the parameters of time. God proclaimed to them that He did not command them to sacrifice their children to Baal. God also says that it did not even come into His mind that they should do that. Or in Psalms 78-41 where God was limited due to the poor choices of His people. I wonder how a Calvinist theologian would answer these: if everything was predestined and pre-planned by God, and yet still God says that the thought of them doing this evil abomination never even came into His mind, thus limiting His grace to work within them.

The more I study this, the more I am in awe over God and His true Sovereignty, and how things are dealt with in the parameters of time in accordance to the freewill choices men/women make…The Sovereignty of God is way bigger and much more encompassing than what Calvinists think it to be. God acts in accordance with man decisions, and outcomes can vary, however God can also intervene in accordance to as He sees fit, as was first seen in Genesis 3-15.

Ephesians -22. “And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of that filleth all in all. {This fullness will be finished when the fullness of the Gentiles is come in; Romans 11-25,26.
Ephesians 1: 4. “According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:”

He has predestinated the body of Christ unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ IN HIM. The words “us” and “we” in Ephesians refer to the church which is His Body, the only saved construct with a proper noun in the text is Israel, which is the same as the generic term “the church”. Paul is expressing in this verse that before the foundation of the world, God in His eternal foreknowledge decided He would have a church, a house, to separate His people unto Himself. The Lord decided that that church would have its foundation, “in Him.” This was the Sovereign act of God, for He is all Majesty, Power, and Authority. This was predestined afore in the mind of God. God not only decided before the world was to have a church, but He also decided what kind of a church that church would be, and established the character qualifications of those that should abide therein. According to Ephesians 1: 4, this was all decided before the foundation of the world, Gen. 3-15, in that prior to that time there was no need for separation  because sin had not yet entered into the world. Thus the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world was determined necessary  by God in Gen 3-15. He determined that the church would be a holy church.

God never predestinated or predetermined an individual to the lake of fire; nor does God predestine individuals to heaven. Very simply: those who believe are not condemned, but those who do not believe are already condemned; said the Master in John chapter 3-18. Many died in the Sinai wilderness because of unbelief said Paul in 1 Cor.10.

The work of the Spirit of God is to bring members in to the body of Christ. There is only one way in which the unregenerate can see the church of Christ, and that is in her spoken word, her walk, and her works of the Spirit. The last three chapters of Ephesians have to do with the believers’ walk and work. In the book of Ephesians which teaches of Gods’ sealing by the Holy Spirit of promise; the word “church” is found in Ephesians 9 times, and the word “body” is also found 9 times.

If a man is not saved or born of the Spirit, he does not belong to the church which is His body. If you are sealed by the Spirit of promise you are in the body of Christ, which even though in the foreknowledge of God is (PRESENT TENSE), it had its beginning in the post-cross era on the day of Pentecost with the first BELIEVERS; they asked Peter; what should we do? Yes, not to be confused that the church had a prior beginning as well from Adam & Eve, and it has always been the age of grace even in the pre-cross era. However, the day of Pentecost established a much greater dispensation of grace, due to the blood atonement of Christ, which justified Gods’ mercy, that He should dispense an even greater magnitude of Grace upon the earth in the Person of the Holy Spirit. This is why Jesus said to His disciples; “its expedient that I should go away that the Father should send the Comforter”

Repent and be baptized said Peter>By Gods’ saving grace, the Word of God spoken by Peter via the Holy Spirit, spiritually baptized those who believed and were brought into the Body of Christ, as members written in the book of life, and relating them to the head of the Body, that being the Chief Corner Stone, who is our Lord Jesus Christ. One must first believe before He is elected, not vice versa, (that would be the gospel in reverse).

It is blasphemous to say that God predestinates individuals to hell and the lake of fire. Predestination is a divine act of God, whereby HE makes the goal, which is adoption, a certainty for the believer who endures to the end. A man is justified by a godly repentance, a saving faith, proven by deeds, that worketh love form a heart of sincerity.

Therefore, if you can come to the cross by the terms of reconciliation given by Christ, or justification by faith, you can come into the blessed assurance that you are a believer and a member of his predestined family by God “in” Jesus Christ. A man/woman that believes, and has been justified by faith, and he endures to the end, will also be glorified in that day of great glory. That old hymn so dearly beloved “When the roll is called up yonder, I’ll be there.”

In Ephesians 1:5 we read once again:

5. “Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.”

Predestined:… “pre”, which means before, or beforehand. The last part of the word is “destination” which means the finishing up of things, the end, or farthest extent. (the path of destiny for the believer) Jesus said in John 6; I will raise him up on the last day, 4 different times. Meaning after all the earthly trials and tribulations have ended in this present church age. And the apostle John said  in Rev 1-9, he is our companion in this age of tribulation.

Yes, the way of salvation in Jesus Christ is finished, as He said: “it is finished”. But the future of men with the option of freewill to turn to that salvation is still being played out in this earthly Chronos time-line, even up until the last day, or as He told Noah in Gen. ch. 8; as long as the earth remaineth.

The word “pre” has to do with something beforehand. The word “destination” has to do with the farthest extent and final destiny, of which Paul said the whole creation groans for this glory in the last day. Then when the fullness of the Gentiles be come in, and all Israel shall be saved Romans 11-25, 26.

Most certainly in the mind of the God, all Israel was saved, is saved, and always will be saved. We understand this by what the word predestination means according to the precise meaning of the word of God has to do with: something beforehand and something at the farthest reaches and end termination when the whole body of Christ is formed.

All Israel, Paul is speaking of our final destination in our new bodies in the house of God in the new heaven and the new earth. John said; he did not know what we would be like, but that we would be like Him. The time is designated by the word “pre” and the farthest extent is designated by the word “d.. Predestined. The finishing up of things to come.

The pre-destination  is God planning out something beforehand, and destined is doing something about or concerning, or relative to the farthest extent, of which all was foreknown by Jehovah. The time of eternity intercedes with the creation time in a way that man cannot grasp, at least while still in this side of eternity. However, it does in no way mean that God chooses everything we do…Remember Jesus Christ chose of his own freewill to go to the cross, and we choose of our own freewill to be crucified to the deeds of the flesh as we are baptized in His burial (dead to the lusts of flesh by putting to death the ways of the old man) and rose anew creature in His Spirit, being quickened and given life, but we have not yet been delivered from this old body of corruption to our new glorified bodies, our final destination. 1 Cor. 15-54,-1 Thes.-4 Romans ch. 8.

This is the definite and complete purpose of God in predestination, is that He has predestined us unto the adoption. Predestination is a divine act of God, whereby foreknowledge is the divine attribute of God. God makes that destination which is adoption, certain for the believer, for God is all true and faithful to His promise. The purpose of God in predestination then is the adoption, and when we are adopted we shall be like Him, sons of God. We shall then be in the finished image of His Son in our new bodies of which will be as Rev 21-4 says; having no more tribulation from a cursed cosmos, 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. This has not yet happened, but most assuredly will, for Jesus Christ is the blessed assurance and blessed hope. Then time shall be NO MORE!!! 2 Samuel 7:10 NEITHER SHALL THEY BE INFLECTED ANYMORE.

The pre-eminent and most dominating thought in the Capitalized Calvinist Doctrine of Election is a matter of pride in its’ self-appointed rank and privilege, and not of faith, and deliverance from an eternal separation from God…… Only a small “b” believer can be Gods’ small “e” elect, God gave all the grace to believe, but God Himself cannot believe for any man, yet God has given the grace of salvation and the ability to believe to all men Titus 2-11.

Because of the cross, we are  given grace in an even greater measure than the pre-cross era Hebrews 11-39,40.. In order to be one of God’s elect you must repent, believe, and come by the way of the cross through the sanctification of fire as spoken of by the apostle Peter in 1-Peter 1-2 and Jesus himself in John 17. To be forced by God through imputed, irresistible Calvinist grace is to eliminate the most important element, that being “faith”. Thus climbing back yet another way. For it is impossible to please God without faith, for He is one who diligently rewards those who seek Him, Hebrews 11.

The entire position of Calvinist Predestination from the foundation is so completely backwards from Scripture. Deut. 30:11-20 says “the commandment is not difficult nor is it out of reach; (12!) it is NOT in Heaven that one must go get it and GIVE it to us to make us hear it that we may observe it; it is very near you, in your heart and mouth that you MAY observe it.” (confirmed by Paul in, Acts 17:27-30)

17 — “But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, …you will perish.”

Regeneration” is never BEFORE the command to repentance and belief, and it’s always a CONTINUAL CHOICE. And he that endures to the end the same shall be saved. But there are the Predestinationists saying that magically God ZAPS a person with regeneration! A person is just merrily delighting in his sins and abominations, until God REGENERATES him; and then he BELIEVES and is saved??? This falsehood is salvation in reverse.

God responds to those that seek Him, and allows those that seek iniquity to do so; because He is no respecter of persons, Romans 2:4-11 (Having and outstretched arm continually, His kindness and longsuffering leads all men to repentance, but stubborn unrepented hearts store up wrath for themselves unto the day of wrath ) Partiality (unjustness!) would be God electing those who do NOT seek Him or His righteousness, Acts10:34-35.

The model established by all scripture is that men must repent and believe before receiving by the breaking up of the grounds of the heart, as verified by Jesus in the parable of the sower. Jesus said it was the foundational parable in order to be able to understand all of the other parables.

Further understanding to expose the  false doctrine of predestination.
God, knowing He was going to create man with a freewill, established before the foundation of the world, the acceptable character of His people that would allow for His chosen elect. That character would be in the likeness of His Son, (holy, blameless and without fault before him.) All that should believe “IN” Christ, and follow His ways were predestined to spend eternity with Him…

 The words foreknew & foreknow in the NT, in context, “always” speaks of relationship. Its not an issue of Gods’ omniscience, I will not deny that He is all knowing, however that is not what is being expressed when Paul says foreknow. Rather he is speaking of relationship, God cannot have a relationship with anyone before he/her was born.  

Study the context of these only 2 verses with the word foreknow in the NT, and this can be easily understood that it is speaking of relationship. (once again: God cannot have a relationship with anyone before they were born. That’s illogical and impossible, for God cannot do anything that is illogical. Only a relationship of love could be established through the agency of mans freewill choice after he is born, not before.

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29For whom he did foreknow, {relationship) he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

The called are those who love God. Paul says that God will work all things together for good for those who love God. To prove this point to the Christians at Rome, Paul makes another statement.  He says, God set a destiny, until the end of time, that those of whom He knew by a close relationship would be conformed to the image of His Son, and would therefore  spend eternity with Him. Paul assures the Roman believers that past saints whom HE did foreknow were justified, sanctified, and glorified. Verses 29 and 30, are the evidence to prove verse 28. God has called, justified, and glorified, them. That is why all of the verbs are in the past tense. God has already done them. Paul is saying to the Christians at Rome look, God had done this for them, He will do it for you also. The Greek word for foreknew is “Proginosko”, Pro, meaning before and Ginosko, meaning know. (To have a relationship with). Many will say that this is a reference to a time before the foundation of the world, however there is absolutely nothing in the context of this passage that supports that rendering of the text, because God had no relationship with anyone before the world was. God had no relationship with anyone before the creation was. That concept is Greek Gnosticism. 

Romans 11-1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. {a past relationship with} Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying

Here, the word “foreknew” is quite clear, in that; Gods’ people  of the literal lineage  of Abraham, of whom He formerly knew, could still be grafted back into the vine of Israel through belief. In neither case does the word “foreknow” in context, is Paul speaking about God’s omniscience ……The only defense the predestination Calvinist doctrine can use is it’s made up Sovereignty of God straw man. Its the cure-all conscience remedy for the  lack of accountability.

Update
Understanding God’s Foreknowledge and the future of time

I do not consider this to be a salvation issue, but rather a better understanding of the true character of God found within the Holy Scriptures, and for the purpose of better understanding of the Christian faith to be reasoned based upon the logical mind of God. God has also given us this logic. (Let this mind of Christ Jesus be in you). Amen.

That being said, God is not a DEIST outside of time, but rather He is love and is greatly involved with His creation, and He being everlasting through time.. The three attributes of God, all knowing, all powerful, and all present. He is perfect, however not changeless in every respect. God is complete and without need, however He does desire our love towards Him through an everlasting fellowship with Him. The long-time historic and ancient view of God was that the only thing that could motivate change was a “need”, and sense God has no needs, He therefore cannot change. However that which can motivate change doesn’t have to be a “need” but rather a “desire”. For God is benevolent towards all of mankind and “desires” that none should perish, John 3-16, 2 Peter 3-9, Acts 17-30. God changed in that He now has a loving relationship with His followers which did not exist before the world was. Notwithstanding, the principles of God NEVER change. For “I AM the Lord God and I change not”, Malachi 3:6. God is changeless in the manner of being all righteous, perfectly loving, and always doing that which good”. He NEVER deviates from these attributes, and they work for the good of all those who love and obey Him, Romans 8-28.

Concerning the traditional teaching of “immutability”. Traditional arguments contend that if God could change it would render God less powerful. But, when examined in the light of scripture the exact opposite is true. They make the claim that since God knows exactly what will happen in the future, therefore He cant’ be caught off guard. This actually limits the power of God, in that God doesn’t have to know the exact freewill choices of man because He is always in control and will respond in such a way that nothing can subvert His omnipotence, nor overcome Him by surprise, thus undermining what He has determined will bring about His glory, (that being; the gathering unto Himself a people that should love Him). When in fact this is true, but not in the manner they think it is

For instance, a grand master chess player can foresee 30 moves in advance, and a good player who can foreknow 6 moves would have no possible chance of defeating him. But God can determine an infinite number of moves in advance, thus Satan has no chance of overcoming Him. In other words; God knows the future exactly as it is unfolding, and has a planned counter movement for every single possibility there is in existence. This is all logic, stemming from a mind of perfect logos and wisdom. So, whatever happens in the unsettled portion of future, God is able to respond to it perfectly placing Him in control of all things pertaining to His destiny of salvation for those that love Him.. No one is going to out think God, or out manoeuver God, because He already knows all possibilities and all that can be derived from each one them.

You see; Christ the Anointed One, has already overcome the adversary and the powers of darkness by openly triumphing over them,Colossians 2- 15,. Therefore, those “IN” Christ “have overcome”, 1 John 2-14 & 4-4, 2 Cor. 2-14, and will continue “if” their abidance “IN” Him continues. So, Calvinism is so far from truth that it not even be a matter of debate in-house. But, the traditional Molinist view believes that God is all knowing of exactly what all mans future events and choices will be, suggesting that man still has some type of almost-freewill choice, or (an enigma of freewill), built upon the idea of Molinism, named after 16th Century Jesuit theologian Luis de Molina, that is a religious doctrine which attempts to reconcile the providence of God with human free will. I consider this to be a default view and lacking because there are scores of scripture that cannot be reconciled under this traditional doctrine, of which I perceive to be assumed, because of the fear of reconciling the truth in scripture concerning the nature of man’s complete freewill choice, an endowment given to him by God. But I think that flawed theology can be supplanted by this truth; God doesn’t know your future freewill actions because there is yet to be a fact of the matter.

God is perfectly omniscient! God’s foreknowledge is perfect, complete, knowing all future truth and CANNOT be deceived by future falsehoods. I am also beginning to see that God experiences duration of time. He is everlasting through time, rather than timelessly eternal existing outside of time, however He is always in the eternal present knowing all things that can be known.. The Bible says God was, is, and is to come. Which means He experiences succession.(time).Scripture says God is from everlasting to everlasting. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever. Eternity is not timelessness, eternity is endless time. If God were timeless, He would be successionless. If God was succession less, HE would be thoughtless, emotionless, decisionless, and actionless. Thoughts, actions, decisions, emotions, all require succession (time) to occur. Gods eternity is endless time, that is, time without beginning or end: Isaiah. 9:6-7; Isaiah. 43:10; Isaiah 57:15; Job 36:26; Daniel. 4:34; Habakkuk. 1:12 Psalms. 23:2; Psalms. 90:2; Psalms. 102:24; Psalms. 102:27; Luke. 1:33; Hebrews 1:12; Rev. 1:4; Rev. 1:8; Rev. 4:8; Rev. 5:14 Time is nothing other than the measurement of change. The whole creation is continuously rearranging its molecules, changes in motion, and man in his thoughts and actions constituting the measurement of time. So, if something were absolutely timeless, that would limit such a being from changing in any respect whatsoever. Therefore, if either one is temporal or timeless, one will have a limit that the other one doesn’t. We see in Scripture that God acts in time. There is a time “before” the action takes place and a time “after” the action takes place. Example; God sent a flood. This means there was a time before He sent the flood and a time after he sent the flood. In other words: God is not eternally sending a flood. The alternative concept that God moves in and out of time I perceive to be unscriptural as well, and that of epistemic circularity which will eventually build a flawed theology on its own, in behalf of its own defense. Such as the false born in sin doctrine; it builds other false doctrines to defend its fallacy, thus having to explain away more and more scripture as the delusion grow over time.

God has absolute prophecies that are determined to be through His power, but there remains conditional prophesies that are contingent on man’s freewill will choice. One way to reconcile this “mystery” is by considering that the future does not exist at all and that much of it is not settled yet. God said, through the prophet Jeremiah that “the thought never entered My mind that the children of Israel would offer up their children to the god in the places of Baal”. There are numerous scriptures like this one that Molinism cannot address, nor provide any logical answers for.

I perceive that the future now is partly composed of indefinite possibilities contingent upon mans freewill and the freewill of God to move accordingly for the good of those that love Him. God doesn’t need to know the future as a settled fact in order to bring His purpose to pass. God did know man COULD sin, Hence God laid out a plan of salvation for mankind before we were ever created, through the person of the Son. God has a dynamic plan such that there is determined destination (such as salvation through Christ) which everything else is relative to. That was and is the Godheads eternal commitment. Romans 11:33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! God knows everything in a man’s heart. Paul is not speaking of knowing the future of all things per say. How/why does God need to find things out if He already knew the future from eternity past?

God tests people to see what types of decisions they will make: Gen. 22:12; Ex. 16:4; Deut. 8:2, 13:1-3; 2 Chron. 32:31. God has had disappointments and has regretted how things turned out: Gen. 6:6; 1 Samuel. 15:10, 15:35. God has expected things to happen that didn’t come to pass: Isaiah 5:1-5; Jeremiah 3:6-7, 3:19-20. God becomes frustrated and grieved when he strives to bring individuals into accordance with his will and they resist: Genesis 6-5 Isaiah 5, Ezekiel 22:29-31; Isaiah, 63:10; Ephesians 4:30; Hebrews 3:8, 3:15, 4:7; Acts 7:51. However there are absolute prophecies that prove the future is partly determined. And conditional prophecies of the future that are partly open, in that the future can only be changed if God does not have eternal exhaustive foreknowledge in the realm of what is to come based upon the open freewill choice of man.

For God to be omniscience as reality “is” He must know the future as a realm of possibilities and certainties. Therefore, God’s actions change because that which is actual is a continuous state of change. Example; God told Moses, “if Pharaoh does this, then you do this, but if Pharaoh does that, then you do this etc. God, who is all knowing, searches the hearts of all men and acts accordingly that He should find out exactly the motives therein. Remember, God discovered the heart of Satan and the motives therein brought about by the actions of the serpent/Satan in the garden. Likewise, God tests through circumstance to know the hearts of all men/women.

Because of the actuality of change in the hearts of the people at Nineveh, God turned from His wrath, because He observed their change of heart and inward motives of which He had no prior knowledge of other than that their hearts were evil. Remember, before this new knowledge was obtained by God, He said He would destroy Nineveh in 40 days, and God cannot lie, therefore that must have been His full intent. If not then we are left with the Calvinist false teaching “that God has a secret will”… But, an actuality of their repentance in Nineveh caused God’s mercy to prevail over His wrath, thus HE CHANGED from that which He thought to do, (God is love, desiring that none should perish). God is always looking for an opportunity to dispense His great mercy and forgiveness. This was justified through the blood atonement of Christ, and made available to whosoever will repent, follow after Him, and drink freely from the fountains of living water.

God never intended for Adam to sin and He will exhaust all of His persuasive powers to reconcile all men, but He will never circumvent man’s freewill. This is in opposition to the universal view that God resides outside of time and the future is exclusively composed of definite realities, which contradicts fellowship and true love, and undermines the fact that God has new emotions and thoughts everyday based upon the choices of mankind, leaving the future in a condition of flux. I might add, that this in no way suggests that God will not continue to gather a people unto himself as prophesied, but much of the future still remains to be settled.

Romans 8-29,20,& 11-2 “foreknowing” is twice in the NT. Both times within context it is speaking about God setting His affection on a body of people, and not meaning that He knows a person before they were born. God chose us to be “in” Christ.. Paul says God chose us in Christ to be holy and blameless. What God chose from the foundation of the world was that whosoever is in Christ will be holy and blameless, and obtain an inheritance. Romans 8 says that God set His affection on the body of Christ, the church, before it was conceived. But God did not foreknow any particular person before they were born, because
it is impossible for God to have known anyone before they were born, although it does say that He knew Jeremiah, however, this was Jeremiah only. Jeremiah was the only person in the OT that was sanctified in the womb. God knew the extra measure of truth “His word” that was placed in Jeremiah in the womb, therefore touching the lips of the prophet Jeremiah

.In the NT, John the Baptist and Jesus were sanctified in the womb also. No other persons except these three did God sanctify in the womb. In so, God was exercising His power to intercede as He deems right and good. And of course, Jesus Christ was God in the womb born of the virgin Mary, thus far exceeding the sanctification of Jeremiah and John the Baptist. Scriptures that say man’s eternity is endless time: Isaiah. 45:17; Ephesians. 3:21; Revelation 14:11; Scriptures that say eternity is endless time for Heavenly creatures: Rev. 4:8.9 Scriptures that say there will be time in Heaven, or a distinction between the past and the present: Revelation 5:12,13

The common teaching that God is “immutable”, therefore having no new emotions or new thoughts is a Calvinist teaching taken form Augustine, and was a Gnostic false theology merged into the church in the 4th century. The ‘Immutability” of God is disproved in numerous passages in the text, Gen 3-8, Gen 4-3, Gen 6-6, Exodus 32-10, Jeremiah 19-5 are just a few examples of God living in sequence of time in that He expresses His regret, disappointment, and even surprise as to how things turned out. He tests people to find out all of their heart, Romans 11-33. Even Peter attests to this, when he express that God desires all men to come to repentance in 2 Peter 3-9. Although, God may not experience time and change in the same way we do, but still “a 1000 years is as day”.

God is the author of life; isn’t changing a part of being alive? Why must God be devoid of sequence and change? Why can’t God be affected, or be responsive? Notwithstanding, God’s principals are most certainly “immutable”, for He is the Lord God and changes not.

In Acts 17-28, Paul says that we live, move, and have our being “in” Him. This verse tells us that God is not outside of this chronological timeline. Action requires sequence. Does this experience of sequence and action (i.e. change) mean imperfection is moving toward perfection? No, May God forbid! Clearly, not all change implies improvement and thus imperfection. Since God is perfect in His love, we could think of Him as the most “changing” being there is. This seems to indicate that God is dynamic rather than static. He has infinite intelligence and wisdom. There’s no way for us to attain to the knowledge of God said King David, for it is too high to attain, Psalms 139.

If the future is not out there somewhere like some kind of entity floating around in space, then God did not speak it into existence yet but rather began the chain of events that would produce the future via change, the measurement of time,..

God must always act in accordance with His unchanging character which will require Him to change in demeanor, emotions and response, but never in character. Which means to change from being happy to becoming sad, or to change from being pleased to becoming displeased, but never a change in His principles.

In examining Exodus 32, there was a past time in which God was not angered with the Hebrew children when they placed the Lambs blood over the door posts and leading them out of Egypt. However, He became extremely anger with them on Mt Sinai, {an emotion} same in Genesis chapter 6. Before the creation God had no anger, thus these are new emotions in Gen 6-6 that He is feeling. God has suffered more than anyone, as pictured in Christ, His ministry, and Crucifixion.

God experienced new anger so much so, that He said He would start all over again with Moses in Exodus 32. But due to the love and persuasion of Moses, in that God should extend His longsuffering, God then changed His mind, having a new thought concerning the mater, thus He turned from that which He thought to do. If God allows man the freedom of choice is not that ultimately up to the man? I think the whole of scripture reveals that God expects man to make choices on his own without God getting into his head and forcing him to do what God wants him to do. God desires all men to be saved, but He doesn’t make that happen.

The “election” of Gods people. God elected OT Israel, and the NT “elect” is the same as the OT election, that being a corporate concept. In that God decided form Gen.3-15 and prophesied that He would be driving the train of salvation and whosoever chooses to get aboard that train gets to be in the family of salvation, (all aboard!!)

So what God foreknew was the character of His future family and these would be His elect having a character in His image. Therefore, the kind of peculiar people (character) that become God’s children is in-fact a closed theology, but who those people are on an individual layer is still open and remains to be seen in the future of things that come to pass. However, they all begin by being written in the book of life, but mans freewill choice to continue in evil can result in having his name removed from that book. This is the manner in the which God declared the beginning from the end. Please take note: that it doesn’t say that God “knows” the end from the beginning, but rather it says He “declares” it. Hence, His counsel shall stand and He will do all His good pleasure. God is perfectly loving and all powerful enough to deliver all those seeking Him and departing from evil and believing the gospel. Time, in view would be completely subject to God’s creative act of will. But there is no Scripture that says God speaks the future into the present? God therefore, continuously assesses and creates according to His will, something that previously did not exist in temporal matter in any way before Gen 1-1.

There are 4 different types of prophecy in the bible.
1) Absolute prophecy: when God determines an event to happen (Isaiah 46-10). Not because He looks into the future with a crystal ball but rather because He ‘DETERMINED” that they would happen, such as the incarnation of Christ, and some 330 OT prophecies fulfilled in Christ. This is what separates the one true God from the other false gods as spoken of in the book of Isaiah. God knows with certainty some events of the future, because He Himself is the planner of those events, and is by no means a fatalist. Hence the flood, the birth and death of Christ, etc. Whatever is predetermined can be foreknown, but whatever is open can be known only as a possibility. God doesn’t need to know all the future as a settled fact in order to bring His purpose to pass. Prophecies are often God foretelling what He Himself will later bring to pass. So they have to do more with HIS omnipotence than His omniscience: which is something rarely considered in Molinism… Gen. 3:15; Gen. 8-22, 1 Kings, 8:15, 8:20, 8:24, 13:32 (with 2 Kings 23:1-3, 15-18); 2 Kings 19:25; 2 Chron. 1:9 (1 Chron. 6:4; 10, 15); 2 Chronicles 36:21-22; Ezra 1:1; Isaiah. 5:19, 25:1-2, 37:26, 42:9 (with vs. 16); Jeremiah. 29:10, 32:24, 32:28, 33:14-15, Limitations. 3:37; Ezekiel 12:25, 17:24, 33:29, 33:33; Daniel. 4:33, 4:37; Acts 3:18, 27:32-35; Rev. 17:17..The power of God “omnipotence” keeps creation in place until the last day of judgement.,Gen. 3-22, 2 Peter 3-5, these are determined prophecies. This simple and absolute truth shuts down the vain idea that the earth could be destroyed or damaged by an asteroid, or by any other means. It is for certain that henceforth expecting till His enemies be made his footstool, Hebrews 10-13. And the last enemy will be death ,thus all Israel shall be saved as the fullness of the Gentiles will have become in, and not before then can this earth cease. I don’t think God already had a specific year, day, hour and minute etc. planned ahead of time, because He is longsuffering and patient desiring that non should perish. But the Father knows when the time is full (when the transgressors will have come to the final full). Like when we read, “But when the fullness of time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law.” God confirms this when he says He will come like a thief in the night. To the transgressors it will be a complete surprise, like the first advent of the Messiah.

Many theologians and scholars would say “if God doesn’t know the exact future” He can’t bring it to pass. But because God doesn’t know all of the future “as a settled fact” doesn’t mean He doesn’t have the power to bring to pass what He determined, designated, prophesied and promised.

2) Conditional prophecy: Is when something may or may not occur, such as the destruction of Nineveh. Conditioned upon their continuance in sin, however God changed His mind and dispensed His mercy and forgiveness upon them based on their repentance. Such as Jeremiah 18-8 also. These are based upon the contingent freewill choices of man. God is said to have repented (changed His mind) multiple times in the Bible: Gen. 6:6-7; Exodus. 32:12-14; Numbers, 23:19; Deut. 32:36; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam. 15:11, 15:29, 15:35; 2 Samuel. 24:16; Psalms. 90:13, 106:45, 110:4, 135:14; Jeremiah. 4:28, 15:6, 18:8, 18:10, 20:16, 26:3, 26:13, 26:19, 42:10, Ezekiel. 24:14, Hosea. 11:8, 13:14; Joel 1:13-14; Amos 7:3, 7:6; Jonah 3:9-10, 4:2; Zach. 8:14 The prayers of men have changed the plans of God: Exodus. 32:10-14; Numbers 11:1-2, 14:12-20, 16:16:20-35; Deut. 9:13-14, 9:18-20, 9:25; 2 Samuel. 24:17-25; 1 Kings 21:27-29; 2 Chron. 12:5-8; Jeremiah 26:19 God speaks of the future in terms of what may or may not be: Exodus 3:18, 4:9, 13:17; Ezekiel. 12:3 God changes His plans in response to changing circumstances: Exodus 32:10-14, Jeremiah 18:1-10, Jonah. But prophecy that comes true does not prove that all the future is settled fact. God is all knowing in that He knows all that can be known. All the objects of knowledge are known to Him, but the outcome of contingency is not an object of knowledge. This in no way denies God’s aseity. Aseity (from Latin a “from” and se “self”, plus -ity) refers to the property by which a being exists in and of itself, self-contained.

3) Extrapolated prophecy: This is based upon God’s perfect knowledge of the present because God knows the hearts of men and the circumstances that encompass all about. Therefore, He can foretell at least in the short term, (in Peters case on that very same day), what we will do in the future, such as He prophesied that Peter would deny Him 3 times. God has all the power to bring about the circumstances for Peter to do so. Remember, just prior to making this statement Jesus said “the devil desires to sift you Peter”. Hence, Jesus knowing what was in the heart of Satan at the time as well as the heart of Peter, and all the others involved in the Temple who took part. So, the present condition of Peters heart was perfectly known by Christ. (all knowing). Hence, Jesus knew the current condition of Peter’s heart, and Jesus knew the circumstances the devil was arranging in order to sift him as wheat. Another example would be in the book of Deuteronomy when God said that the people would rebel after Moses left them. How did God know this would happen? Because He said He knows what’s in their hearts today, therefore God could make this Extrapolated prophecy.

4) Parallel prophecies: That being when a scripture told of an OT event but is applicable to a NT event. OT prophets speak a word for today because the word transcends time giving us a warning not to apostasy in our day.

May God bless you richly, Bill

Responses

  1. Bill, thank you so much for writing this. I have been deeply distressed and troubled in my spirit after reading something purporting that God is the author of evil and confusion in the world. I spent days in the scriptures trying to find the truth that this is not the character or nature of God, that He is not a sadistic bully who would remove free will, then punish the result, much less ordain it. Yet this of course led me to think about all of the innocent children and people who have suffered through needless wars, famine, injustice, through history, etc. So sad, so griefstricken. I cannot wrap my heart or mind around why, why is such allowed to go on?

    To say such is the “will” of God, or done for his pleasure, would line up with what Calvinists believe, but would seem an atrocity and paint God as unloving and cruel. So, it cannot be that. God forbid. What the Lord showed me is that these innocents are protected with and by God. He knows the heart, and he knows the capacity of each person’s ability to understand,…. or not, For the innocents, all earthly memory of the evil they suffered is wiped away, just as all tears are wiped away by God in Heaven. For those culpable, who know to do good, and do it not…God knows that truth too. I’ve known people with Downs, who love God and are innocent. They have the faith of a child, which Jesus spoke of. Surely, God is just, that He would not be unduly harsh with one He knows doesn’t have the capacity to understand. I also think of those with Aspbergers who almost literally cannot tell a lie, ie, have no guile. They suffer for that honesty beyond belief in this lifetime. I realize this must sound very simplistic, but do you believe it lines up with scripture as you see the innocents of earth? And why can’t foreknowledge of God coexist with free will, being that we cannot see the future, but God can surely see all things?

    This next paragraph that you penned expresses also something very beautifully: ” So what God foreknew was the character of His future family and these would be His elect having a character in His image. Therefore, the kind of peculiar people (character) that become God’s children is in-fact a closed theology, but who those people are on an individual layer is still open and remains to be seen in the future of things that come to pass. ” It made me think of the verse “For God hath chosen the…. to confound the wise…” Thank you again, and welcome anything you may wish to share. Bless you,
    tia

    • Pleased that it was able to edify you tia, thank you for the kind words, be blessed always Bill


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